# Anthropic's Chief on A.I.: ‘We Don’t Know if the Models Are Conscious’

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Podcast: [Interesting Times with Ross Douthat](https://stenobird.com/podcast/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457)
Published: 2026-02-12T10:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/opinion/artificial-intelligence-anthropic-amodei.html
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## Resource

A.I. is evolving fast, and humanity is falling behind. Dario Amodei, the chief executive of Anthropic, has warned about the potential benefits — and real dangers — linked to the speed of that progress. As one of the lords of this technology, is he on the side of the human race?

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