# ‘A Hard Time We Had of It’

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Podcast: [Interesting Times with Ross Douthat](https://stenobird.com/podcast/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457)
Published: 2025-12-24T10:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.nytimes.com/column/matter-of-opinion
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## Resource

Merry Christmas and happy holidays! This week Ross Douthat shares one of his favorite poems for the occasion, “The Journey of the Magi,” written by T.S. Eliot, to reflect on a year one might call “interesting.” See you next year!

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