# A Bitcoin Evangelist Tries to Convert Me

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Podcast: [Interesting Times with Ross Douthat](https://stenobird.com/podcast/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457)
Published: 2026-04-23T09:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/23/opinion/a-bitcoin-evangelist-tries-to-convert-me.html
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## Resource

One question has haunted my investment strategy for years: What is cryptocurrency actually for? It feels as though the vibes are constantly shifting — one day it’s the dollar’s successor, and the next it’s little more than a meme. My guest this week is bitcoin evangelist Anthony Pompliano, the chief executive of ProCap Financial. We get into whether crypto is a bet against the American empire and whether its volatility is actually a strength.

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