# Episode 371: Commercial Mortgage Loans: Building Around the Insurance Balance Sheet

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Podcast: [InsuranceAUM.com](https://stenobird.com/podcast/insuranceaum-com-113748)
Published: 2026-06-14T15:17:32+00:00
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## Resource

Morris Chen, Portfolio Manager and Head of CMBS & CRE Debt Investments at DoubleLine Capital, and Robert Stanbrook, Portfolio Manager for the firm's CRE Loan Platform, join Stewart Foley to explore how commercial mortgage loans can help insurers navigate today's investment landscape. Together, they discuss the differences between CMLs and CMBS, the benefits of portfolio customization, and why these strategies continue to play an important role in balancing yield, duration, and capital efficiency. The conversation also dives into DoubleLine's underwriting philosophy, the importance of borrower quality and loan structure, and how insurers across life, annuity, P&C, and health sectors can tailor commercial mortgage allocations to meet their unique balance sheet objectives. For insurance investors looking to better understand the asset class, this episode offers a practical framework for evaluating both the opportunities and the risks.

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