# Trust But Verify: Validating AI in the Insights Industry with Christopher Barnes

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Published: 2026-07-09T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this Insights and Innovators Podcast episode, host Niels Schillewaert (Head of Research, Conveo.ai) speaks with Christopher Barnes, President of Escalent, about how market research organizations are approaching AI, why many fail to rigorously validate AI outputs, and how persuasive, energy-efficient model changes can increase risk. Barnes argues insights teams must become “insights and action” professionals, tighten the distance between findings and business impact, and adopt strong validation practices using human data and human-in-the-loop review. He shares examples of risky AI misuse, explains how to separate valuable tools from hype through piloting and showing work, and highlights near-term value in persona bots and research process agents. Barnes also describes Escalent’s mandatory AI certification and the need to prove measurable growth impact for clients. 00:00 AI Training Mandate 00:34 Podcast Welcome 01:04 Three AI Adoption Camps 03:03 Ahead Versus Risky 04:19 Why Validation Lags 07:07 Validation Best Practices 09:44 Persuasive AI Pitfalls 10:47 Who Owns Validation 13:00 Hype Versus Value 14:32 High Value Use Cases 16:46 Upskilling The Team 20:24 From Research To Advice 21:50 Skills For The Shift 24:21 Pollster Mindset Advice 26:15 Proving Business Impact 26:51 Closing And Subscribe Explore more episodes and resources → https://www.greenbook.org/podcast-network Learn more about MRII → https://mrii.org/

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