# Conversation with Eamonn Maguire, Proton

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Published: 2025-12-04T06:59:03+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, Marcel sits down with Dr. Eamonn Maguire, Director of Engineering for AI and ML at Proton, for a wide-ranging conversation about privacy-preserving AI, the evolution of Proton’s products from anti-abuse systems to Lumo—Proton’s private, end-to-end encrypted alternative to ChatGPT—and the deeper implications of today’s rapidly shifting AI landscape. They discuss Proton’s mission as a privacy-first alternative to Big Tech, what it takes to build secure AI services, the challenges of agentic systems, open models like Apertus, and why the future of AI must balance innovation with user protection. More information at : https://proton.me/ Production: Ethan Nyffenegger

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