# Conversation with Aldo Podestà, Giotto.ai

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Podcast: [Inside AI](https://stenobird.com/podcast/inside-ai-7168420)
Published: 2025-10-13T08:11:11+00:00
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## Resource

Can a small Swiss lab out-reason trillion-parameter giants? In this episode, Aldo Podestà, founder & CEO of Giotto.ai, explains how his team reached the #1 spot on the ARC-AGI v2 leaderboard—with a ~200M-parameter system scoring 23.19% on an extremely challenging, non-memorization reasoning benchmark. Aldo traces his journey from EPFL math student to entrepreneur, the Kaggle win that sparked the company, and why Giotto spun out a successful vertical product before going 100% R&D. Aldo also talks about why the next big leaps will come from generating small programs to check answers and from better hardware. More info: - https://www.giotto.ai/ - https://arcprize.org/arc-agi Production: Ethan Nyffenegger

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