# Shoveling $h!t: Startup Cheat Codes & New Book from Serial Founders Kass & Mike Lazerow

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Podcast: [Innovation with Mark Peter Davis](https://stenobird.com/podcast/innovation-with-mark-peter-davis-1367720)
Published: 2025-02-13T15:45:00+00:00
Episode link: https://innovationwithmpd.captivate.fm/episode/lessons-in-entrepreneurship-building-success-with-mike-and-kass-lazaro
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## Resource

On this week’s episode I chat with Kass and Mike Lazerow, a powerhouse entrepreneurial duo known for building and exiting multiple companies, including Golf.com and Buddy Media (which was acquired by Salesforce for $745 million). The conversation dives into their unique dynamic as a husband-and-wife co-founding team, their entrepreneurial journey spanning decades, and their latest venture—writing " Shoveling $h!t: A Love Story " a brutally honest book about the highs and lows of entrepreneurship. We discuss what makes a strong co-founder relationship, the realities of scaling a business, and Kass and Mike’s ongoing mission to mentor and support founders. With thoughts on fundraising, company culture, and life after an exit, this episode offers a candid look at the realities of entrepreneurship—perfect for founders, investors, and anyone navigating the startup journey. Links: Book: Shoveling $h!t: A Love Story Kass & Mike: Instagram , YouTube , X , Facebook , LinkedIn (Kass) , LinkedIn (Mike) MPD: LinkedIn , X Interplay: Website , LinkedIn , Twitter

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