# Off the Record

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Podcast: [Indy Politics Podcast with Abdul-Hakim Shabazz](https://stenobird.com/podcast/indy-politics-podcast-with-abdul-hakim-shabazz-6473719)
Published: 2026-05-06T18:34:24+00:00
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Duration seconds: 4199

## Resource

One served a Republican president. The other served a Democrat. Both came to Gainbridge Fieldhouse Wednesday morning with the same warning: the bipartisan rush to redraw congressional maps between censuses is corrosive to American democracy, and someone needs to break the fever.

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