# Rewriting the Rules

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Podcast: [In the Making](https://stenobird.com/podcast/in-the-making-7863865)
Published: 2026-06-04T12:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

What will it take for this country to work for its people, and for government to earn public trust? Baratunde Thurston and PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere explore how we rewrite the rules to serve all people on Episode 4 of “In the Making.” They get into why even the best programs and policies can't create lasting change when the underlying design of our nation is working against them. They unpack how we need to empower the 14th amendment’s "affirmative duty of government.” This means we need a shift from making marginalized people prove they’re been discriminated against, to requiring government to proactively deliver for everyone. They examine why proactive enforcement and accountability are the only way to restore trust between the people and governing institutions, and what a future could look like when we do the work necessary to make this a reality.

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