# Rebuilding the Foundation

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Podcast: [In the Making](https://stenobird.com/podcast/in-the-making-7863865)
Published: 2026-05-28T12:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Host Baratunde Thurston talks with PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere to explore why America's foundation was flawed from the start—and how we can build a new one that works for everybody. They discuss why the nation's original design excluded many from "We the People," how across ideology, so many experience the system as rigged, and why we should raise the level of our expectations and demands of what government should do. They explore why the next founding must be built by millions, and why soul work—seeing each other's humanity—is an essential part of this transformation.

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