# Becoming We the People

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Podcast: [In the Making](https://stenobird.com/podcast/in-the-making-7863865)
Published: 2026-05-21T12:01:00+00:00
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## Resource

Host Baratunde Thurston returns with PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere to explore why we should be the founders of a redesigned nation for all. They discuss why we must own our power and birthright to do this work, how love and accountability must guide us, and the six essential founders’ capacities we must cultivate in ourselves and our institutions on this journey.

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