# Borders, bargains, and the business of smuggling | Max Gallien

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Podcast: [In Pursuit of Development](https://stenobird.com/podcast/in-pursuit-of-development-375149)
Published: 2025-12-03T06:00:00+00:00
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Dan Banik and Max Gallien explore how smuggling operates as a deeply embedded part of state–society relations in North Africa, rather than a simple threat to state authority. They discuss what this reveals about governance, livelihoods, and the political bargains that shape life in border regions.

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