# Roy Swan makes the case for 'positive-sum' capitalism

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Published: 2026-07-21T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Roy Swan, director of mission investments at the Ford Foundation and author of " Positive Sum: How Zero Sum Thinking Broke Capitalism, How We Can Fix It," joins David Bank. They speak about shareholder primacy, "patriotic capitalism", and how AI finally making externalities - positive negatives - visible and actionable. Get a copy of the book today . Disclosure: The Ford Foundation is an investor in ImpactAlpha .

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