# Criminals, if you're listening

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Podcast: [If You're Listening](https://stenobird.com/podcast/if-you-re-listening-232515)
Published: 2026-07-06T15:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/if-youre-listening/criminals-if-you-re-listening/106885272
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Duration seconds: 1380

## Resource

In last Thursday's episode, we talked about one of the most sophisticated intelligence operations in recent history, when Israel planted bombs in thousands of pagers and walkie-talkies used by Hezbollah. But it wasn't the first time something like this has happened. Today, Matt and Kara trace the long history of people accidentally spying on themselves: from the CIA's best-selling encryption machines, bought by governments around the world, to the "secure" phones that tricked organised criminals into incriminating themselves. Follow If You're Listening on the ABC Listen app . Check out our series on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDTPrMoGHssAfgMMS3L5LpLNFMNp1U_Nq

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