# #423 - The Middle Market Identity Security Gap with Robert Snodgrass

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Podcast: [Identity at the Center](https://stenobird.com/podcast/identity-at-the-center-344918)
Published: 2026-05-18T09:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Jeff and Jim welcome back Robert Snodgrass, Principal at RSM, for a deep dive into the RSM Middle Market Business Index cybersecurity report. The conversation covers the confidence gap facing middle market organizations, why digital identity remains undervalued despite being the primary attack surface, non-human identity governance, flat cybersecurity budgets, risk framework adoption, and what good incident response preparedness actually looks like. The episode wraps with a spirited Bitcoin Pizza Day toppings debate. Connect with Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-snodgrass-7a199412/ Review the RSM US Middle Market Business Index Special Report on Cybersecurity 2026: https://rsmus.com/middle-market/cybersecurity-mmbi.html?cmpid=ola:45559-idac:bb01 IDPro new member discount: https://idpro.org/idac/ Connect with us on LinkedIn: Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/ Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/ Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com TIMESTAMPS 00:00:00 Introduction and Scatter Spider social engineering discussion 00:04:00 IDPro discount code and upcoming conferences 00:06:26 Guest intro: Robert Snodgrass and the MMBI report 00:09:05 Defining the modern middle market 00:12:00 The confidence gap: 96% confident, 18% breached 00:15:04 Why attackers log in and top identity investment priorities 00:19:00 Why only 23% of leaders prioritize digital identity 00:22:00 Internal partnerships as the path to identity program success 00:25:10 AI, shadow AI, and non-human identity risks 00:31:00 NHI governance at scale: 45 to 1 ratio 00:34:50 Cybersecurity budget realities in the middle market 00:39:00 EU regulation and top-line cybersecurity drivers 00:42:03 NIST CSF adoption and risk framework value 00:46:00 Incident…

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