# Html is actually good and it's getting better with Tony Ennis

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Published: 2025-10-02T18:07:38+00:00
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## Resource

Tony Ennis joins me to talk about how websites can be built with simplicity and power using new html and browser standards. ================== EPISODE LINKS Tony on X: https://x.com/tonyennis Html First: https://html-first.com Mini JS: https://mini-js.com Base Styles: https://base-styles.com Tony's talk at big Sky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aknX6xq8Vfg Una at Google IO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTCIStB6y8s ================== CHAPTERS 00:00 Intro to Tony 00:34 Tony's work at Really Good Software 02:17 "My whole thing though is ..." 05:03 The Platform and a Stylesheet talk 07:18 Html tag list 07:26 Una and the Chrome dev team making progress 09:10 Popovers 11:56 New UI Elements in Html 2023 vs 2025 12:34 Modal 15:48 select with selectedcontent tag 16:27 Multi-selects (they are still bad, but working on it) 16:50 datalist (autocomplete) 20:22 Async in HTML (replacing htmx?) 28:57 Where React is preferred 34:40 The Front-end spectrum -- Mini JS 45:52 Mini-js code example 50:43 Laz on why html is great at UI 52:30 Why a five-year-old can learn html 55:21 Building mobile apps with React Native and webviews 59:50 Server-driven web apps 1:05:45 Base styles (unreleased minimal CSS framework) 1:10:25 CSS Layers for siloing your libraries

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