# Puzzle-Maker Wyna Liu's Just a Little Mean

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Podcast: [Humans](https://stenobird.com/podcast/humans-7862207)
Published: 2026-06-11T12:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3560

## Resource

Wyna Liu is the maker of one of Hank's favorite games: Connections. In the New York Times game, players sort 16 words into four categories. Wyna and Hank geek out on what makes a great puzzle, why low-stakes activities matter, and how a category game ended up funding some of the best journalism in the world. Plus: Wyna hits Hank hard with the idea that no effort is wasted when you're a maker. Got a question or a comment? You can reach us at humans@hankgreen.com Find us on social media @humanswithhank

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