# Katie Mack: The Death of the Universe

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Podcast: [Humans](https://stenobird.com/podcast/humans-7862207)
Published: 2026-08-13T11:30:00+00:00
Episode link: https://art19.com/shows/humans/episodes/46ad7d41-3e92-4d8d-aabb-519958188b15
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Duration seconds: 3738

## Resource

Katie Mack is an astrophysicist who studies the end of the universe. Hank and Katie talk about the value of the Artemis II mission, how we can see the beginning of time, and when the universe may end. Plus, Katie tells Hank that dark matter and energy aren’t as weird as we may think. Got a question or a comment? You can reach us at humans@hankgreen.com Find us on social media @humanswithhank Find Katie Mack on Instagram @astrokatiemack

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