# Lessons in Powerful Learning from the Fringes w/ Dr. Sarah Fine

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Podcast: [Human Restoration Project](https://stenobird.com/podcast/human-restoration-project-331008)
Published: 2025-10-11T15:18:19+00:00
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## Resource

Today's episode is Dr. Sarah Fine's keynote, the Quest for Authenticity: Lessons in Powerful Learning from the Fringes, from our Conference to Restore Humanity back in July of this year. As Dr. Fine argues, the limits of our grammar of schooling and the metaphors we use to think about teaching and learning are constraining, but there is nothing inevitable or inherent about them. This is the throughline in her observation of co-constructed and collaborative humanized learning spaces, where inevitability gives way to possibility predominates. Not only is it possible to change the grammar of schooling, but that humanizing grammar already exists within even the most traditionally structured school, Sarah argues, in electives, clubs, and extracurriculars, in the periphery. These spaces, she points out, offer "the hallmarks of a learner-centered system: trust, safety, & authentic care, where learners and educators codesign coursework." As Sarah and her co-author Jal Mehta urge in their 2019 book, In Search of Deeper Learning, "We need to change student learning, so we need to change schools, so we need to change systems." Video version on the Human Restoration Project YouTube channel [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3YUbFh5y3k] Q&A w/ Dr. Sarah Fine [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSsfx0Xoje4]

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