# From Dishwasher to Engineering Manager

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Podcast: [HTML All The Things - Web Development, AI, and Developer Careers](https://stenobird.com/podcast/html-all-the-things-web-development-ai-and-developer-careers-863818)
Published: 2026-08-04T06:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Mike worked as a dishwasher and line cook before becoming an engineering manager. Matt and Mike discuss how jobs outside of tech can teach developers valuable lessons about leadership, pressure, attention to detail, and career motivation.

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