# How to Deal with Clutter & Be a More Present Parent | With Katy Wells

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Podcast: [How To Deal](https://stenobird.com/podcast/how-to-deal-6351386)
Published: 2026-03-15T15:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcast.attachmentnerd.com/episode/how-to-deal-with-clutter-be-a-more-present-parent-with-katy-wells
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How to Deal with Clutter (ft. Katy Joy Wells) Episode Summary Feeling overwhelmed by your home — and how it's affecting your ability to show up for your kids? In this episode, Eli welcomes holistic decluttering expert and author Katy Joy Wells to explore the surprising connection between a cluttered home and your capacity to be a present, secure parent. Katy breaks down the four types of clutter, explains why popular decluttering methods keep failing, and gives you two practical habits you can start today — no weekend overhaul required. Key Takeaways Clutter isn't just about stuff. It steals your time, energy, and ability to connect with your kids — and there's real science behind it. There are 4 types of clutter — superficial, scarcity, sentimental, and identity — and each requires a different strategy. Applying the wrong tool to the wrong type is why most methods fail. We don't just buy things — we buy stories, emotions, and beliefs about ourselves. Understanding what's driving your accumulation is the key to stopping the cycle. The "good enough home" (inspired by D.W. Winnicott's attachment concept) gives you permission to release shame and focus on what actually matters. Mess is expected. Clutter is optional. Neither says anything about your worth as a parent. Start with two habits: Set up a permanent donation station, and practice daily "clutter audits" built into your existing routine. Action creates motivation — not the other way around. You don't need to feel motivated to start; you just need to start. About the Guest Katy Joy Wells is a holistic decluttering expert, host of The Maximized Minimalist Podcast (5M+ listens, Top 50 globally), and author of Making Home Your Happy Place: A Real-Life Guide to Decluttering Without the Overwhelm . Through her online pro…

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