# You Wanna Be on Top…Or You Wanna Be Well

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Podcast: [How To Be Real](https://stenobird.com/podcast/how-to-be-real-6741456)
Published: 2026-02-21T04:27:10+00:00
Episode link: https://howtobreal.substack.com/p/you-wanna-be-on-topor-you-wanna-be
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## Resource

You wanna be on top? Cool. But at what cost? We’re revisiting America’s Next Top Model, reality TV culture, and the blueprint we were handed about success (then redefining it on our own terms). Plus, a nod to the Black pioneers we celebrate all year long. If you’re more of a visuals girlie, catch up on episodes on our YouTube channel AAAND… 💌 Send us a letter or question to be featured on the show, heyhowtobereal@gmail.com 😉 Subscribe for more conversations that go beneath the surface🎧 Find us on Apple + Spotify 📩 Join our Substack: How To Be Real This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit howtobreal.substack.com

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