# Building Bridges, Crossing Divides in Utah. Jorgensen and Bernards Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/how-do-we-fix-it-667/building-bridges-crossing-divides-in-utah-jorgensen-and-bernards Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/how-do-we-fix-it-667/building-bridges-crossing-divides-in-utah-jorgensen-and-bernards.md Podcast: [How Do We Fix It?](https://stenobird.com/podcast/how-do-we-fix-it-667) Published: 2026-05-01T10:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/howdowefixit/episodes/building-bridges-crossing-divides-in-utah-jorgensen-and-bern Audio file: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/acast/s/howdowefixit/e/69f3cbd7ad98579289612859/media.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/how-do-we-fix-it-667/episodes/building-bridges-crossing-divides-in-utah-jorgensen-and-bernards Duration seconds: 1546 ## Resource The nation has been shaken by violence yet again. The assassination attempt at the White House Correspondents Dinner was another jarring tear in the fabric of our public life. Every day Americans also hear divisive, angry, rhetoric from national political leaders and media pundits.  On "How Do We Fix It? we discuss how growing numbers of Americans are pushing back against toxic divides.  We report on the work of  Braver Angels : The national movement that brings reds and blues together in the same room. This episode with  Reena Bernards  and  Casey Jorgensen  covers the Braver Angels  Mobile Summit  in Utah, a traveling conference where practical steps were taken to build bridges and cross divides. Volunteers drove an RV across Utah, and also ran in-person events where red and blue citizens worked together on polarizing issues such as immigration. Two mobile summits in late 2025, and again in the spring of this year, featured workshops, debates and dialog. The aim was to depolarize communities and strengthen civic engagement.  "It was a wonderful experience," says Reena. "We became like a family." At the immigration workshop, which included equal numbers of conservatives and liberals, there was agreement on the need to secure the border and having a path to legalization for undocumented immigrants who'd lived and worked in the U.S. for a long time, contributed to society, paid taxes, and had not done anything illegal. Going into that workshop "I think people were thinking we'd be lucky to come up with one or two points of agreement," says Casey. "To have a list of over a dozen was really exciting." See more about the Braver Angels Utah mobile summit … ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/how-do-we-fix-it-667/episodes/building-bridges-crossing-divides-in-utah-jorgensen-and-bernards/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/how-do-we-fix-it-667/building-bridges-crossing-divides-in-utah-jorgensen-and-bernards.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.