# Episode 156: SOME MORE TRUTH? The Story Behind the Story of John Cruz's Removal Case

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Podcast: [Hot House with Richie Ray](https://stenobird.com/podcast/hot-house-with-richie-ray-7087929)
Published: 2026-09-19T08:30:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/richie809/episodes/Episode-156-SOME-MORE-TRUTH--The-Story-Behind-the-Story-of-John-Cruzs-Removal-Case-e3ofivc
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## Resource

A Facebook post started a debate over who deserves credit for defending Branch 41 President John Cruz against a Notice of Removal. Rather than argue on social media, Richie Ray went back to the original record. The grievance file. The emails written while the case was happening. John Cruz's own clarification. Orlando Gonzalez's Informal and Formal Step A work. The eventual arbitration preparation by Roy Jancio. And the emails concerning Paul Marks's involvement with the proposed pre-arbitration settlement. This isn't about denying anyone credit. It's about answering a bigger question: Can one person really claim a grievance victory when the case was built through multiple levels of the grievance procedure by multiple union representatives?

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