# Brett Swarts on Outsmarting Capital Gains Taxes

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Podcast: [Hosting Bitcoin](https://stenobird.com/podcast/hosting-bitcoin-7283596)
Published: 2025-10-02T12:34:29+00:00
Episode link: http://abundantmines.com
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## Resource

In this episode of Hosting Bitcoin, we sit down with Brett Swarts —capital gains tax strategist, real estate investor, and founder of Capital Gains Tax Solutions to unpack how Bitcoiners and entrepreneurs can build real wealth without being crushed by the tax code. Brett’s journey spans commercial real estate, the 2008 financial crisis, and now a specialty in helping high-net-worth investors legally defer capital gains, design intentional exits, and preserve more of what they’ve earned. With thousands of transactions, a spotless audit record, and decades of track record behind him, Brett has become the go-to guide for those who want to keep and compound their wealth rather than hand half of it to the IRS. This conversation goes far beyond spreadsheets. We dig into the psychological traps of “never sell” strategies, why borrowing against Bitcoin can backfire, and how aligning tax flow, cash flow, and debt flow creates true financial freedom. Brett shares client stories, the mechanics of the Deferred Sales Trust, and why building a family mission, vision, and set of values around wealth is just as critical as the technical strategy.

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