# The Story Behind the Story: Inside Sarah Maslin Nir's Investigation of Jimmy A. Williams and George Morris

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Published: 2026-04-01T09:35:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 2607

## Resource

If you or someone you love is experiencing abuse in sport, visit #WeRideTogether for crisis resources. Trigger Warning - This episode discusses sexual abuse. In 2018 and 2019, two of the most powerful figures in horse sport were banned for abusing minors. Today's guest tells us how she shined a light on the abuse for the world - outside of just our insular horse world - to see. In this episode, investigative journalist Sarah Maslin Nir takes us inside how those stories were uncovered with a detail most people would have missed (shout out to the incredible Mollie Bailey who first reported on Jimmy A William for The Chronicle of the Horse ). From there, Sarah walks us through the meticulous but often uncomfortable process of building trust with survivors and exposing the abuse to the world at large through the words of The New York Times. Sarah is a two-time finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. Learn more about her work here.

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