# The Pope & the SSPX: is this a permanent schism?

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Published: 2026-07-02T17:49:24+00:00
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On Wednesday morning the ultra-traditionalist Society of St Pius X (SSPX) consecrated four bishops in defiance of Pope Leo XIV. Those bishops and the two who consecrated them were immediately excommunicated and the Vatican warned the society’s priests and members that they face a similar fate. The SSPX, whose services are all in Latin, now seems headed for permanent schism. In this episode of Holy Smoke , canon lawyer Dr Ed Condon, editor of The Pillar , joins Damian Thompson to discuss the unfolding chaos in traditionalist Catholic circles. Produced by Patrick Gibbons Become a Spectator subscriber today to access this podcast without adverts. Go to spectator.co.uk/adfree to find out more. For more Spectator podcasts, go to spectator.co.uk/podcasts . Contact us: podcast@spectator.co.uk Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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