# Were the Founding Fathers Good Men? | The Historians with Joseph Ellis & Carol Berkin

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Published: 2026-06-22T04:00:00+00:00
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Welcome to THE HISTORIANS — a brand new series on History Shorts where host Peter Zablocki brings together two leading historians for an unscripted, informal conversation about history's biggest questions. No panels. No debate. No agenda. Just two brilliant minds talking shop. For the debut episode, Peter sits down with two of America's foremost historians of the founding era and asks one deceptively simple question: Were the Founding Fathers Good Men? Dr. Joseph J. Ellis — Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Founding Brothers, American Sphinx, His Excellency: George Washington, and The Cause — and Dr. Carol Berkin — Presidential Professor Emerita at CUNY and author of Revolutionary Mothers, A Brilliant Solution, and The Bill of Rights — join Peter for nearly an hour of warm, honest, and occasionally surprising conversation.

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