# The Two Ships that Divided America, w/ David S. Reynolds

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Published: 2026-06-05T04:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, I sit down with acclaimed historian and cultural biographer David S. Reynolds to discuss his powerful new book, Two Ships: Jamestown 1619, Plymouth 1620, and the Struggle for the Soul of America . Just months apart in 1619 and 1620, two ships landed on American shores—the White Lion , bringing the first enslaved Africans to Jamestown, Virginia, and the Mayflower , carrying the Pilgrims to Plymouth, Massachusetts. What started as nearly simultaneous arrivals became enduring symbols of America's foundational divide: one representing bondage and hierarchical Cavalier culture, the other liberty and reformist Puritan ideals. David S. Reynolds is the author of award-winning books on Abraham Lincoln, Walt Whitman, John Brown, and Uncle Tom's Cabin . His work has been praised by figures like Henry Louis Gates Jr. and Jon Meacham. Grab a copy of Two Ships wherever books are sold! SUPPORT THE SHOW: https://www.patreon.com/c/HistoryShortsPodcast ADVERTISE : https://www.historyshortspodcast.com/advertise LEARN MORE: https://www.historyshortspodcast.com/ SPONSORED BY: www.thecollector.com

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