# #181: The Menorah - History's Greatest Jewish Mystery

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Podcast: [History for the Curious - The Jewish History Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/history-for-the-curious-the-jewish-history-podcast-4092442)
Published: 2025-12-21T13:57:46+00:00
Episode link: https://rabbiaubreyhersh.podbean.com/e/181-the-menorah-historys-greatest-jewish-mystery/
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The Menorah was the most adopted symbol in the Jewish world. But where is the original? We know of a Menorah in Rome in 70CE. The Talmud tells us it was examined. But what follows is centuries of silence What does History tell us? What do eyewitnesses report? What has the Church said? And what role does the 2nd Temple Menorah have, in the redemption of the Jewish People? This episode is the outcome of the most up-to-date research and analysis and includes a recently recorded conversation with a Rabbi who entered the Vatican cellars 55 years ago accompanied by Pope John Paul II. Timestamps: - 0:00 — Opening: - 0:38 — Podcast intro (host & Rabbi Hersh). - 1:14 — Memorial/announcements. - 2:17 — Episode topic introduced: “Where is the menorah?” - 4:00 — Menorah as Jewish symbol; historical significance. - 8:00 — Arch of Titus / Josephus / early Roman display. - 10:00 — Fire in 191 CE and disappearance possibilities. - 15:00 — Jews in ancient Rome / social context. - 20:00 — Constantine/Byzantine period and relocation theories (312 CE). - 25:00 — Christian adoption/use of menorah imagery. - 30:00 — Vatican holdings, openness, and inventories. - 34:30 — Eyewitness claims overview; Rabbi Stencil letter exchange. - 40:00 — Oscar Goldman 1962 account (electrician shown items). - 41:30 — 1970s rabbi’s underground Vatican visit description. - 52:40 — Testimony analysis: credibility issues and scholarly skepticism. - 1:03:47 — Theological point: first‑ vs. second‑Temple vessels and redemption. - 1:10:00 — Halachic notes on making/holding menorah replicas; closing.

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