# When Race Trumps Merit

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Podcast: [Hillsdale College Podcast Network Superfeed](https://stenobird.com/podcast/hillsdale-college-podcast-network-superfeed-6092662)
Published: 2026-05-22T04:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Guests: Heather Mac Donald and Richard Samuelson Host Scot Bertram talks with Heather Mac Donald, the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and contributing editor at  City Journal , about efforts by the Trump administration to curb DEI programs and her book  When Race Trumps Merit: How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty, and Threatens Lives . And Richard Samuelson, associate professor of government at Hillsdale College’s Washington, D.C. campus, continues a series celebrating the 250th anniversary of the United States. This week, Thomas Paine’s  Common Sense  and Abigail Adams’ admonition to “remember the ladies.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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