# Kathleen O’Toole and Robert Pondiscio: Combating Doom and Gloom in the Classroom

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Podcast: [Hillsdale College K-12 Classical Education Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/hillsdale-college-k-12-classical-education-podcast-18393)
Published: 2026-01-12T05:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Kathleen O’Toole, associate vice president for K-12 Education at Hillsdale College, is joined by Robert Pondiscio to discuss a recent essay he wrote on how educators should emphasize resiliency and hope in the classroom. Robert Pondiscio is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and an affiliate of AEI’s James Q. Wilson Program in K–12 Education Studies, where he focuses on K–12 education, curriculum, teaching, school choice, and charter schooling. Learn more: https://k12.hillsdale.edu/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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