# Kathleen O’Toole and Matthew Spalding: The Making of the American Mind

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Podcast: [Hillsdale College K-12 Classical Education Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/hillsdale-college-k-12-classical-education-podcast-18393)
Published: 2026-03-23T04:00:00+00:00
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Kathleen O’Toole, associate vice president for K-12 Education at Hillsdale College, is joined by Matthew Spalding to discuss his new book, The Making of the American Mind: The Story of our Declaration of Independence , and the importance of teaching American history properly. Matthew Spalding is vice president of Washington Operations and dean of the Van Andel Graduate School of Government at Hillsdale College in Washington, D.C. Learn more: https://k12.hillsdale.edu/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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