# AI Is a Tactic, Not a Strategy: What CMOs Must Know with Gareth Turner, Part 2

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Podcast: [Higgle: The B2B Sales Club](https://stenobird.com/podcast/higgle-the-b2b-sales-club-6622259)
Published: 2026-05-18T05:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Are agencies evolving into strategic partners, or becoming commoditized overnight by AI? In this second of two parts, Gareth Turner of Big Black Door joins me again to unpack what AI is really doing to marketing teams, agencies, and the role of the CMO. With his 30 years of brand-side experience, we get straight into the tension between strategy and execution. AI can move fast, but we explore why speed without direction is dangerous; Gareth shares a sharp analogy about a super car with a bad navigation system that perfectly captures the risk that brands face right now. We dig into what marketers actually need in an AI-enabled world, and why more output doesn't automatically mean more impact. As we go on, we tackle the tough questions: What should brands bring in-house? What is becoming commoditized? And what happens to junior talent if AI replaces entry-level work? We explore the collapse of the traditional agency pyramid, the rise of judgment and orchestration over production, and why truly agnostic strategic advice is becoming more valuable than ever. This conversation challenges assumptions about agencies, pricing models, and even career paths in marketing. Topics covered during this episode include: The evolving role of the CMO as conductor of marketing execution. How AI accelerates tactics, but does not replace human-led strategy. Why more marketing output does not necessarily guarantee greater impact. The evolution of agency models from creative to full service. Why CMOs need agnostic strategic partners, not biased advice. The importance of commercial judgment over self-serving recommendations. How executional work is becoming increasingly commoditized by AI. What brands should consider when deciding what to bring in-house. The shift from asset production to over…

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