# Did Nancy Guthrie’s Anonymous Caller Lead Volunteers to Her Actual Grave in Mexico?

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Podcast: [Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary](https://stenobird.com/podcast/hidden-killers-with-tony-brueski-true-crime-news-commentary-5840426)
Published: 2026-06-20T22:00:00+00:00
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He called once. Gave coordinates. Described clothing. Fifteen volunteers searched the Mariposa arroyos near the Arizona-Mexico border and found nothing. Then he called back. New directions. A second search. Still nothing. A third search was scheduled. And through all of it, this anonymous man never contacted the FBI, never contacted Pima County, and never reached for the million-dollar-plus reward that has been sitting unclaimed since Nancy Guthrie disappeared from her Tucson home. The persistence is either the behavior of someone who genuinely knows where she is and miscalculated the exact location — or it’s the behavior of someone adjusting a fabricated story in real time after each miss. Robin Dreeke has spent a career distinguishing between those two patterns. He ran the FBI’s Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, and what he sees in this caller’s behavior connects to every unverifiable claim this case has generated — from the ransom notes sent to media outlets to this tip sent to a volunteer collective in cartel territory. The routing alone tells a story. The ransom notes bypassed law enforcement and went to newsrooms. This tip bypassed law enforcement and went to a nonprofit search group in Sonora. Dreeke explains what that pattern means behaviorally — and why the caller’s willingness to provide increasingly specific details after failed searches doesn’t necessarily make the tip more credible. It may make it less. The Pima County Sheriff’s Department says it hasn’t been contacted by Mexican authorities. No U.S. law enforcement participated in the searches. Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube…

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