# Makumba, Herbalism & Nature | Jesse Wolf Hardin & Debora Greer

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Published: 2026-07-15T13:31:00+00:00
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HerbRally listeners save 25% on tickets to the 2026 Good Medicine Confluence (October 12–15 at Ghost Ranch, New Mexico) with discount code HERBRALLY26. LEARN MORE & REGISTER In this episode, Jesse Wolf Hardin sits down with Debora Greer for a thoughtful exploration of Makumba, an Afro-Indigenous spiritual tradition and philosophy of life that weaves together herbalism, ancestry, ritual, and relationship with the living world. Together, they discuss what Makumba is, why it has been so widely misunderstood, and how its teachings invite us into a deeper relationship with plants, nature, community, and healing. They also explore the impact of colonization on our connection to the Earth, the importance of honoring our ancestors, and why Debora believes that "nature is our greatest ancestor." Whether you're an herbalist, naturalist, or simply curious about different ways of understanding our place within the web of life, this conversation invites you to slow down, listen deeply, and rediscover the wisdom of relationship. If you'd like to learn from Debora in person, she'll be teaching three classes at the 2026 Good Medicine Confluence: Herbal Showers and Baths: A Makumba Healing Tool, Rose & Thorns of Death and Despair: The Teachings of Grandma Buruku, and 7 Knives and 7 Chili Peppers: Exu Magic for the Protection of the Oppressed. This audio was extracted from the video version available on the HerbRally YouTube channel . Jesse Wolf Hardin is an impactful author, ecosopher, ecological restorationist, personal counsel, graphic artist, musician, and historian on a mission –– a champion of diversity and what he coined "ReWilding," as well as an impassioned proponent of nature's medicines. Wolf co-founded with Kiva Rose both the international Good Medicine Confluence gathering…

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