# You Can't Pour From an Empty Cup: Creative Burnout & the Real Cost of Chasing Viral Ft. Ryan & Mike Brown

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Podcast: [Hella Chisme Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/hella-chisme-podcast-6455727)
Published: 2026-08-21T18:00:00+00:00
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Join in the conversation! Welcome back to another episode of the Hella Chisme Podcast This week we diver bak into a conversation with Ryan and Mike Brown. The dream you're chasing shouldn't cost you your peace or your rent. On our 100th episode, we sat down with multidisciplinary creatives Ryan (visibility coach, founder of Get a Grip, host of Lion Ryan) and Mike Brown (award-winning podcast producer, creator of The Art of Letting Go) for the conversation most creatives avoid: how...

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