# HN807: A ‘CLI Lifer’ No More

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Podcast: [Heavy Networking](https://stenobird.com/podcast/heavy-networking)
Published: 2025-12-08T15:57:43+00:00
Episode link: https://packetpushers.net/podcasts/heavy-networking/hn807-a-cli-lifer-no-more/
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## Resource

A network engineer shares his journey from resisting automation to embracing it out of professional necessity. The discussion explores the psychological barriers to learning code and the career risks of remaining a 'CLI lifer' in an AI-driven industry.

## Highlights
- Main idea: Automation is no longer optional for network engineers seeking long-term career stability
- Failure mode: Relying solely on CLI skills creates a professional ceiling that makes navigating modern job markets difficult
- Practical takeaway: Transitioning to automation often requires a mindset shift from fearing job replacement to embracing tool-driven efficiency
- Psychological barrier: Resistance to coding often stems from past academic failures or the fear that automation devalues human expertise
- Industry trend: The rise of AI is accelerating the need for engineers to move beyond manual configuration into orchestration and workflow automation

## Topics

Network Automation, Python, NetOps, DevOps, Career Development, Infrastructure as Code, AI in Networking, CLI

## Chapters
- 1:00 — Introduction to Andy Lapteff: The hosts introduce Andy, a former CLI enthusiast turned automation advocate, at the Autocon conference.
- 4:45 — The Rise of a Tech Blogger: Andy discusses how his professional visibility grew through writing and presenting at industry events like Autocon.
- 8:45 — Stepping Out of the Comfort Zone: A discussion on the necessity of surrounding oneself with more skilled peers to drive professional growth.
- 12:55 — The Shift from Platforms to Scripts: Reflecting on the evolution from heavy vendor platforms to custom scripting and automation workflows.
- 16:45 — The Breaking Point: Andy describes the moment when the pressure of maintenance windows and evolving requirements forced him to confront his lack of coding skills.
- 20:45 — Networking as the Last Holdout: An analysis of why network engineering has been slower to adopt DevOps-style automation compared to Linux server management.
- 25:00 — The Reality of the Job Market: Andy shares the personal impact of realizing that automation skills are becoming a prerequisite for modern networking roles.
- 28:55 — Orchestrating the Full Workflow: Moving beyond simple scripts to integrating ticketing systems and service management into automated processes.

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