# The Leadership Skills That Make Transformation Stick

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Podcast: [HBR IdeaCast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/hbr-ideacast-650643)
Published: 2026-05-12T13:05:40+00:00
Episode link: https://hbr.org/podcast/2026/05/the-leadership-skills-that-make-transformation-stick
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## Resource

Why do so many organizational change efforts stall or flat out fail? Julia Dhar, managing director and partner at Boston Consulting Group, says the problem often isn’t strategy, it’s behavior. Leaders spend enormous time designing change, but far less understanding whether employees are willing, motivated, and equipped to adopt it. She shares research around how leaders can create genuine alignment, and what it takes to sustain momentum once the novelty fades. Dhar is coauthor, along with Kristy Ellmer and Philip Jameson, of the book "How Change Really Works: Seven Science-Based Principles for Transforming Your Organization".

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