# Bozoma Saint John on the Modern Reality of Leadership

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Podcast: [Harvard Business Review](https://stenobird.com/podcast/harvard-business-review-7777387)
Published: 2026-07-22T16:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

Bozoma Saint John on the New Reality of Leadership 23 Oct 2025 --- Employees and customers expect leaders to take a stand—and own the consequences. Bozoma Saint John says people want to know what their leaders truly believe: “If you believe in something, say it. That’s the job.” Listen to the full IdeaCast episode here: https://s.hbr.org/3L2fgN6 ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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