# HI #19: The Ripple Effect: When Loyalty Becomes a Betrayal to Your Own Soul

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Podcast: [Hardly Initiated](https://stenobird.com/podcast/hardly-initiated-4544439)
Published: 2026-06-25T22:06:12+00:00
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Duration seconds: 6346

## Resource

What happens to the people left standing when a marriage suddenly collapses? In this raw and unfiltered conversation, Gail Wells is joined by her closest friends — Dr. Simone, a board-certified OBGYN and Bravo star, and Rachel, a divorce attorney who navigated her own divorce while representing others — to unpack the side of betrayal no one talks about: the ripple effect. They go deep on why our grandmothers stayed (strength or no options?), the moment loyalty to a marriage becomes a betrayal to your own soul, what it physically costs a woman to stay in an unhealthy relationship, how children feel the energy even when no one says a word, and whether there is such a thing as a clean divorce. One is married 30 years, one walked away, one fought to rebuild — three women, three truths, one necessary conversation. Host Jessica Laine-MacDonald: https://www.instagram.com/itsjessicalaine/ Renew The Mind Journal: https://www.hardlyinitiated.com/products/renew-the-mind-journal Fight The Flesh Bracelet: https://www.hardlyinitiated.com/products/fight-the-flesh-bracelet Hardly In Love Dating Cards: https://www.hardlyinitiated.com/products/dating-deck Apply for Teach The Game Thursdays: https://forms.gle/b3mxsAhMd6hx4AnN9 Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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