# Flood the Zone, Lose the Plot (with Mark McKinnon)

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Published: 2026-01-13T23:24:00+00:00
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## Resource

It’s only the second week of the year, and the news cycle is already moving fast. Luckily, Axe and Heilemann are joined by legendary political strategist — and The Circus alum — Mark McKinnon to help make sense of it all. The Hacks discuss ICE’s escalation in Minnesota, including the tragic killing of Renee Good, the influx of ICE officers to the state, and the ramping up of rhetoric around immigration enforcement. They also dig into Melania Trump’s new documentary, the politics of flooding the zone — and how it can both help and hurt Trump — affordability, Venezuela, and much more. Photo by Aaron Lavinsky/The Minnesota Star Tribune via Getty Images Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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