# Fighting Smarter: What Combat Sports Teaches Us About Cyber Defense with Robin Black

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Podcast: [Hacker Valley Studio](https://stenobird.com/podcast/hacker-valley-studio-344898)
Published: 2026-06-09T14:00:00+00:00
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What does a calf kick have to do with vulnerability management? What can a fighter's mindset teach a security practitioner about operating against an adversary they've never faced? Ron Eddings brings back fan-favorite combat sports analyst and commentator Robin Black for a conversation that was never meant to be about cybersecurity, and ends up being one of the most insightful episodes on the human side of the field. They dig into how underdogs actually win (hint: we're usually wrong about who the underdog is), what it really means to maintain control in a fight, and why the highest level of mastery might actually look like letting go of control entirely. The conversation closes with a look at how the cybersecurity landscape is mutating alongside AI, and whether an arms race that trains itself is heading somewhere catastrophic, or whether it's simply the next evolution of the fight. The answer, like most things in this episode, is more nuanced than you'd expect. Impactful Moments00:00 - Introduction02:10 - The Rewind: The Calf Kick and the Peroneal Nerve04:05 - Welcome back, Robin Black05:30 - Can smaller still beat bigger?07:00 - Why underdogs don't win (And why we were wrong)08:25 - Fighting is about exploiting belief systems09:30 - Maintaining control against an unknown adversary10:25 - Adapting vs. anticipating: be water13:00 - Failure is mandatory17:25 - How Robin’s thoughts have changed about being attacked online19:00 - AI and the mutating threat landscape22:15 - Ron's closing thoughts LinksConnect with Robin Black on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robin-black-31b6bb39/ Check out Robin Black on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/RobinBlack – Check out our upcoming events: https://www.hackervalley.com/livestreams Love Hacker Valley Studio? Pick up some swag:…

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