# Ep338: Sacred Sufi Music & the Art of Ecstasy - Gerald Ilyas Klawatsch 2

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Podcast: [Guru Viking Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/guru-viking-podcast-1161340)
Published: 2025-12-19T14:00:33+00:00
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Duration seconds: 4997

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In this episode, I am once again joined by Gerald Ilyas Klawatsch, Sufi musician, music therapist, and founder of the international musical ensemble Ak Pirim. Ilyas presents the sacred music of Sufism, explains its various instruments and principles, and performs musical pieces live. Ilyas tells stories of discipleship under his Sufi master, recounts profound moments of spiritual bliss, and reflects on the power of music for emotional healing. Ilyas also explains the role of ecstatic trance in Sufism and reveals special breathing techniques to induce transcendent states. … Video version: https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep338-sacred-sufi-music-the-art-of-ecstasy-gerald-ilyas-klawatsch-2 Also available on Youtube, iTunes, & Spotify – search ‘Guru Viking Podcast’. … 00:00 - Intro 00:47 - Combining spiritual life with the arts 04:46 - Beauty as a quality of the Divine 07:37 - Sacred calligraphy 11:36 - Music as the main spiritual art 13:!6 - A Sufi creation story 16:32 - How Ilyas learned Sufi music 22:52 - Mystical drunkenness 26:59 - Ney, the Sufi flute 32:03 - Performance: Ney flute 32:52 - A story of a Ney master 35:03 - Music and poetry 36:44 - Arabian maqam 38:51 - About the Oud 40:42 - Performance: Oud 42:25 - Zikr 43:41 - About the Bendhir 44:06 - Performance: Bendhir 44:29 - Performance: Oud 45:37 - Trance, ecstasy, and hyperventilation 50:22 - Awakening the heart 53:08 - Two personal stories of Ilyas’ spiritual and music master 59:53 - About the Rebâb 01:02:34 - Performance: Rebâb 01:03:46 - Music therapy 01:05:28 - Healing and personal expression 01:10:06 - A story of Ilyas’ music master 01:12:55 - Shamanism and music 01:14:13 - Performance: Bendhir Sufi song 01:15:25 - Performance: Bendhir shamanic song 01:17:05 - About the Qyl-Qobyz, a shamanic instrument 0…

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