# Ep 4 | Growth Comes from Saying No

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Published: 2026-03-27T12:59:44+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, Carl shares a tip on how camps can get to the top of Google quickly by leveraging the Google Ads grant and Mark interviews Ryan Moore from Kaleidoscope. Ryan shares insights on strategic planning, camp growth, and the importance of clarity and courage for camp leaders. Discover practical tips, inspiring stories, and a special offer for listeners to enhance your camp's impact and sustainability. Keywords: camp growth, strategic planning, camp leadership, camp marketing, Kaleidoscope, camp development, non-profit, camp strategy, camp sustainability, growth tips Key Topics The role of clarity and courage in camp growth How strategic planning drives camp success The importance of outcomes over features Using data and assessment for growth Stories of camp impact and transformation Hosts Mark P. Fisher, Inspiring Growth Guest Ryan Moore, Kaleidoscope, Inc Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Technical Setup 00:05 Welcome to the Grow Your Camp Podcast 01:25 Marketing Tip: Google Ads Grant for Nonprofits 04:51 Ryan Moore's Camp Connection and Story 08:07 Overview of Kaleidoscope's Services 12:18 Challenges Facing Camps: Clarity and Courage 17:25 Case Study: Strategic Planning Success 20:49 Conclusion and Call to Action Resources Learn more about Kaleidoscope Consulting at https://kaleidoscopeinc.com/ Register for the Google for Nonprofits program to access the Google Ads Grant at https://www.google.com/nonprofits/ Submit a Topic to the Grow Your Camp Podcast via our website at https://growyourcamppodcast.com Talk to Carl at Improve & Grow about getting help setting up your Google Ad Grant at https://improveandgrow.com/ Have a question you'd like us to cover? Click here to record your question > Want Help Growing Your Camp? Click here to schedule a call >…

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