# The AI Race Has a Leaderboard | Arena CEO Anastasios Angelopoulos

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Podcast: [Grit](https://stenobird.com/podcast/grit-606871)
Published: 2026-09-07T09:38:47+00:00
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## Resource

AI could be bigger than electricity. Anastasios Angelopoulos is seeing that shift firsthand, with Arena ranking 500+ models and tracking roughly 10 new releases every week. On Grit, he explains why there may never be one dominant AI model and why the API layer may be less sticky than people think. Guest: Anastasios Angelopoulos, Co-Founder and CEO of Arena Connect with Anastasios Angelopoulos X LinkedIn Connect with Mamoon X LinkedIn Connect with Joubin: X LinkedIn Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com Follow Grit: LinkedIn X ​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins

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