# #425 - Jeremy Ryan Slate - When Empires Don't Fall But Quietly Decay

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Podcast: [Grimerica Outlawed](https://stenobird.com/podcast/grimerica-outlawed-1380394)
Published: 2026-08-22T14:56:57+00:00
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Jeremy Ryan Slate on Rome, oligarchy, currency, and the breakdown of the West Graham Dunlop and Darren Grimes sit down with Jeremy Ryan Slate for a wide-ranging conversation about civilizational collapse, using Rome as the main historical lens. Jeremy argues that the West is following a familiar pattern of monetary debasement, immigration strain, and declining political ethics, while Darren and Graham push the discussion toward technology, energy, election integrity, and whether there is any humane way to stabilize the system. We discuss why the Roman pattern may be repeating across the US, Canada, the UK, and Europe, what actually causes collapse, and whether reform is still possible through currency, production, and energy. Key topics Jeremy lays out his "Roman pattern" framework with three main drivers of collapse: monetary debasement, immigration pressure, and the loss of ethics among political leaders. The conversation turns to whether the West should be viewed as one collapsing bloc or as a set of countries moving at different speeds through the same decline. Jeremy argues that modern democracy has already drifted into oligarchy, pointing to executive power, elite control of money, and the replacement of candidates as evidence. The hosts compare modern politics to Rome's client patron system, where voting and public policy often rewarded whoever could hand out the most benefits. A major thread is the 1913 turning point in the US: the 17th Amendment, federal income tax, and the Federal Reserve Act. The group also discusses the War Powers Act, executive war-making, and how crises are used to expand state power. Jeremy says collapse is usually slow, not cinematic, and compares it to Rome's long degradation rather than a sudden movie-style fall. Darren and Graham exp…

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