# Systemic Control: Richard Grove & William Binney on the Totalitarian History of Mass Surveillance

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Podcast: [Grand Theft World on Odysee](https://stenobird.com/podcast/grand-theft-world-on-odysee-4809022)
Published: 2026-07-07T21:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Watch the full interview here: 👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3owk7vEEOvs How does modern surveillance connect to history's most brutal regimes? 🛑 In this interview clip, Richard Grove speaks with former NSA Technical Director William Binney to uncover the dark historical roots of population tracking. Binney outlines how gathering knowledge on an entire population is fundamentally a totalitarian procedure. He walks through history—from Caesar Augustus causing dissidents to disappear, to the Stasi in East Germany, the Soviet gulags, and the Gestapo. Their interview conversation emphasizes that mass tracking is not a new security concept, but an old mechanism of control. Binney explains to Richard that identifying this exact historical trajectory in American policy is what drove him to firmly oppose these intelligence programs ever since they escalated in 2001. #WilliamBinney #RichardGrove #TotalitarianProcedure #SurveillanceState

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