# Luxon vs Brown, and how the govt fell so violently out of love with localism

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Podcast: [Gone By Lunchtime](https://stenobird.com/podcast/gone-by-lunchtime-449634)
Published: 2026-08-27T05:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Christopher Luxon sailed into NZ politics six years ago as a champion of localism. Since becoming prime minister, his government has fallen deeply out of love with devolution. Changes including a rates cap and National’s ruling out of a bed tax have especially irked Wayne Brown, mayor of Auckland and the most powerful local politician in New Zealand. He’s gone from denial to anger to … what exactly? Joel MacManus and Hayden Donnell – fresh from interviewing Brown – join Toby to tell the story. Follow At Large with Toby Manhire now on ⁠Spotify⁠, ⁠Apple Podcasts,⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠, or wherever you get your pods. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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